When I read this article last week I thought it was a lot of anecdotal points without real info. The article was worse at insinuating that the LDS church was controlling law making. What we really need to see is whether or not Utah has a lower rate of underage drinking, drunk driving and other alcohol-related crime. From there is that simply b/c there are lots of Mormons not drinking, or is it b/c of the laws? And then there needs to be better info about how things would really be affected by the loosening up of laws. People move to Utah often b/c of its atmosphere. There are probably reasons for the low crime, etc.
Anyway, there were a lot of claims made by people in the vid, but none of it was backed up.
But I like the liquor laws, so who am I to talk about it...
Megano, you have to wait for it to load. Paciencia, chica. :)
Vanessa - I think I read the article, too. When I read the article, I really wondered how 'mormonism' really correlated.
I very much agree that there needs to be further evidence as to what the results would be. And that none of those interviewed, including the mayor, really gave sufficient evidence for things to be changed. 'For me as a youth, bars did not create a greater temptation for me to begin drinking....'
Oh, and one of my favorite moments - 'Utah has some of the toughest liquor laws in the country....' You could just hear the producer wanting to say THE toughest. But let us not forget dry counties in Tennessee, etc. Perhaps a little compare/contrast would have helped.
On another note - if you go to the next movie in the slide show, 'Chat in the Utah Diner' or something like that...I think you'd get a good, perhaps somewhat embarrassed, laugh. It's so hard to defend Utah sometimes. :)
As a convert I think I have a good view of both sides of this since I have experience on both sides of the fence. I will just about guarantee that there will be more underage drinking when there is more alcohol available because some places won't be strict/even bother checking the age of their patrons. Again, I KNOW this...
The fact that somebody was served 21 drinks in a 6 hour period in ANY state is absolutely ridiculous. I think there should be some law about you handing your keys to the bartender/manager/someone if you drink to where your BPH is above the limit, and that it should happen before you are allowed to start drinking, and if you don't comply you shouldn't be able to partake. However, I don't think this would be followed either because then the bars and restaurants wouldn't make so much money off alcohol. It's much more about money than well being.
Also, why would a bar want another bar to open? Don't they realize that it would mean their patrons would go elsewhere and they would most likely lose a substantial amount of business/money? To me, that alone takes away any credibility, because the owner of the bar doesn't even understand what he is saying.
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...is there supposed to be anything besides a black box with CNN at the top?
When I read this article last week I thought it was a lot of anecdotal points without real info. The article was worse at insinuating that the LDS church was controlling law making.
What we really need to see is whether or not Utah has a lower rate of underage drinking, drunk driving and other alcohol-related crime. From there is that simply b/c there are lots of Mormons not drinking, or is it b/c of the laws?
And then there needs to be better info about how things would really be affected by the loosening up of laws.
People move to Utah often b/c of its atmosphere. There are probably reasons for the low crime, etc.
Anyway, there were a lot of claims made by people in the vid, but none of it was backed up.
But I like the liquor laws, so who am I to talk about it...
Megano, you have to wait for it to load. Paciencia, chica. :)
Vanessa - I think I read the article, too. When I read the article, I really wondered how 'mormonism' really correlated.
I very much agree that there needs to be further evidence as to what the results would be. And that none of those interviewed, including the mayor, really gave sufficient evidence for things to be changed. 'For me as a youth, bars did not create a greater temptation for me to begin drinking....'
Oh, and one of my favorite moments - 'Utah has some of the toughest liquor laws in the country....' You could just hear the producer wanting to say THE toughest. But let us not forget dry counties in Tennessee, etc. Perhaps a little compare/contrast would have helped.
On another note - if you go to the next movie in the slide show, 'Chat in the Utah Diner' or something like that...I think you'd get a good, perhaps somewhat embarrassed, laugh. It's so hard to defend Utah sometimes. :)
As a convert I think I have a good view of both sides of this since I have experience on both sides of the fence. I will just about guarantee that there will be more underage drinking when there is more alcohol available because some places won't be strict/even bother checking the age of their patrons. Again, I KNOW this...
The fact that somebody was served 21 drinks in a 6 hour period in ANY state is absolutely ridiculous. I think there should be some law about you handing your keys to the bartender/manager/someone if you drink to where your BPH is above the limit, and that it should happen before you are allowed to start drinking, and if you don't comply you shouldn't be able to partake. However, I don't think this would be followed either because then the bars and restaurants wouldn't make so much money off alcohol. It's much more about money than well being.
Also, why would a bar want another bar to open? Don't they realize that it would mean their patrons would go elsewhere and they would most likely lose a substantial amount of business/money? To me, that alone takes away any credibility, because the owner of the bar doesn't even understand what he is saying.
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